Comments on: Imminence

By: Toddwott

Toddwott — Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:47:19 +0000

The “real time” issue is why I have questions. 1260 days are not equal to 42 months, or 3 1/2 years, either on our calenday or the Jewish calendar. They are only equal on “prophetic time,” that is on 360 day years. Nor will it rob any of space for repentance and preparation, because, as I stated, I believe we are in the time of the end. I will email Reggie with other questions.

By: Tom Quinlan

Tom Quinlan — Fri, 16 Oct 2015 01:23:07 +0000

In reply to Toddwott.

Nothing is more symbolic and spiritual than literal fulfillment (as the first coming of Christ so well demonstrates), and gradual hardening is ended perfectly with a sudden thief-like appearing that is totally justified by clear fulfillment of ancient prophecies plainly declaring the end from the beginning that give plenty of room for repentance.

The 1260 days, 42 months, time, times and half a time (and the 1290 days and 1335 days you well noted) are placing a triple emphasis on real time to keep us from day=year theories, etc.

You are right in spending time contemplating the place that Jesus sends us to understand the time of His coming. But we would hate to see your theories rob any of God’s people of the space for repentance and preparation that comes in the first half of the “week.”

We hold that the 1st half of the week when the Covenant is confirmed (and the sacrifices begin not long after) is a criitical time of preparation for the Church, stripping us of all that remains of our natural strength and ability. In that place, and that place alone, will travail and intercession be effectual to the pulling down of Satan’s last great stronghold in the heavens.

Daniel Chapter 7 through 12 focus on the “vile person” but have profound implications for the full measure of Christ being formed in His Church, and this “no-people” moving His ancient people to jealousy by their character, testimony, and loving not their lives to the death.

Focusing on the details Jesus sends us to ponder, keeps us from the false alarms of prophetic speculation on one hand, and nebulous uncertainties that lull to sleep on the other.

For a more detailed response, I would recommend email Reggie directly, as he is unlikely to see your comment otherwise.

By: Toddwott

Toddwott — Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:17:40 +0000

Is it possible that the Seventieth Week has been misunderstood? Could it be that the 1260 days, 42 months, time times and half a time are symbolic numbers. (I don’t know what to make of the 1290 and 1335 days though). Could it be that the first 3 1/2 years of Jesus ministry on earth were literal years and the second half of His ministry in Heaven are symbolic and span the entire Church Age. He put an end to sacrifice and offering in the middle of this week and these the people of the Prince who will come destroys the city and sanctuary (70AD). If there is a gap between the sixty-nineth and seventieth week, then what he accomplished on the cross (making an end of sin, etc) did not occur WITHIN the Seventy Sevens. He was “cut off” AFTER the sixty two…in the “gap.” Just as the 40 years in the Wilderness after the Exodus symbolize the Church Age, could it be the 1260 the Woman is in the Wilderness symbolizes the same. Hasn’t Holy City, the Church been trampled throughout this entire age? I believe the Church has already entered into the apostasy and that we are waiting for the man of sin to be revealed. Is the “man of sin” the Antichrist, or the False Prophet, who has set himself up in the Temple of God (the Church) as if he were God. Isn’t that what the Pope is doing?
Jesus revealed that several things would occur before the end of the age. Pretribbers believe the Church Age is a parenthesis in the middle of God’s dealings with Israel, but Jesus says the “end of the age” and the “sign of His coming” happen after the abomination, and the “tribulation of those days,” not seven years before. If the end of the Church Age ends with His coming, then there is no distinct seven year period marked out. Just as there is no literal seven years of plenty, there is no literal seven years of famine. And just as there is no literal seven years when Jesus marries “Leah,” so there is no literal seven years when He married “Rachel.” The end of the age begins at the abomination, which happens 42 (literal?) months before the Second Coming.
Could it be that this is the reason that the timing of His coming will be unknown…because the prophecy of the Seventieth Week is about Jesus and not the Antichrist? Could it be the Two Witnesses are the Church, those who have the testimony of Jesus (The same John who wrote about the Two Witnesses also wrote I John 5:1-12). After all, during the Pentecost, God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh and they shall prophesy. (Peter and Joel, taken together seem to indicate that this pouring out spans the entire Church Age.
So these and many other things make me wonder if the end of the age will be totally different than we have suspected. I see this deception creeping in gradually, catching “outer court” Christians in a snare. I see the “man of sin” already revealed, making alliances with the world in order to bring in the one world Beast Kingdom and the Harlot Church. The apostasy and the abomination seems to already be here. The darkening of the sun, moon and stars (on the Revealtion 12 Woman) has begun? I see birthpains that began long ago gradually increasing in intensity and frequency (the Seals). The brethren that must be killed just as those whose souls are under the Altar were, are being killed.
The wise understand these things, but the wicked can’t. Like frogs sitting in gradually heated water, they are unable to see the increasing birthpains which will end with the labor of the Woman and the revelation of the sons of God…and the destruction of the wicked.
Anyway, back to my original question…could it be that the 1260 days is symbolic, that there will be no covenant broken in the middle of a literal seven year period?
Even now we see Jacob’s trouble beginning. Could it be it comes on gradually, like birthpains, with the abomination as the sign of the end of the age, which has begun?
Just some questions I have. I went from thirty five years of believing in a Preteib rapture (because I hadn’t really studied what the Bible actually said) to Prewrath for a few years, to Posttrib. So I’m still teying to figure some things out.